<TITLE>09. Par 29-30</TITLE>L-29 Why, here not long ago, I was up in the mountains where I go for a little retreat to rest and hunt. And I was up there, and there's a--a man, a cowboy riding along with me, the rancher. And I'd met him, and he said... I was hunting, and he said, "Well, get on my horse here, ride along."
He said, "Where you from?"
And I said, "Indiana." That's been a few years ago.
And he said, "What do you do for a living?"
I said, "I'm a game warden."
He said, "Well, they're not welcome in this country."
I said, "Well, I'm here... I..." And he said... I said, "That's what I do as--to make a living," but I said, "otherwise, I'm a preacher."
He looked and said, "A what?"
And I said, "A preacher."
Said, "You look too intelligent for that."
And I said... I said, "Well,..." I said, "I tell you..." I said, "I--I--I think that's a mark of intelligence."
And so he said..."Oh," he said, "you don't believe that story, do you?"
I said, "Yes, sir. I believe it with all of my heart."
He said, "Do you really believe that He was--the virgin birth, as it was said?"
I said, "Yes, sir, I really believe it."

L-30 Well, we went arguing along about it for a long time, and he--he said, "Why, that couldn't be so, preacher." He said, "That's against all scientific... It's against... All science." says, "it can't be so." Said, "Trees has to be--have pollen, one to another." Said, "They have to actual be a--a literally a father and mother before a baby could be born."
And I said, "Do you believe that there's a God?"
He said, "Certainly not."
And I said, "Oh..."
He said, "That's a Santa Claus story."
And I said, "Oh, you think so, do you?"
And he said, "Yes, sir."
And I said, "Well, every man..." I said, "Good thing this is America: we all have our own ideas," but I said, "for me He's more than life."
And he--he just got right back at me, fiery, you know. He said, "You know now, right down to the bottom of your heart, that's just because you read it in the Bible."
I said, "No, sir. That's one reason. But the next reason, the reason I know He is: He lives in my heart." I said, "I know that He is."
He said, "Could--could you--could you prove that He lives?"
I said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Go back over my life and see what I was, and what I am now," and I said, "There proves that something has happened."
He said, "Well, it's against..."
Said... I said, "You will admit that that woman, that He had an earthly mother, as the Bible said?"
Said, "Oh, yes. He had a earthly mother."
"But it's impossible now, for a child to be born with a heavenly father, a Spirit, without being a natural man."
Said, "Yes, that's right."
I said, "Well, I want to ask you something. If that's... If He... If you'll admit He had a mother, and He couldn't have a--a supernatural being for a father, then how did the first man get here without father or mother? How'd he ever get... Let him be monkey, tadpole, whatever you want to call him, how did he get here? He had to have a pappy and mammy from somewhere. Isn't that right? He had to have..."
He walked on--went on a little farther, riding along. And after while, I said, "Can you answer me where the first man come from?"


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